“Ukraine is sort of a laboratory for what the future of warfare across the planet could look like.” The war in Ukraine has caused rapid military innovation since Russia’s invasion over three years ago, from military-commercial integration to collaboration with the civil sector to the production of cheap, small attritable drones. But most of all, Ukraine’s military is at the forefront of waging AI-enabled autonomous warfare.Kateryna Bondar, fellow in the CSIS Wadhwani AI Center, recently published a new report on Ukraine’s rapidly evolving capabilities in autonomous aerial systems. She joins the podcast to discuss how Ukraine is using AI-driven unmanned systems to reduce direct warfighter involvement while enhancing combat effectiveness.